Two brain experts warn Steven Bartlett that outsourcing thinking to ChatGPT may erode critical thinking and raise dementia risk.

Dr. Daniel Amen and Dr. Terry Sejnowski — Daniel Amen is a psychiatrist and brain-imaging pioneer who runs 11 clinics and has scanned more brains than almost anyone. Terry Sejnowski is a computational neuroscientist who co-invented the Boltzmann machine with Geoffrey Hinton.
Steven Bartlett sits down with psychiatrist Daniel Amen and computational neuroscientist Terry Sejnowski to examine how large language models like ChatGPT are affecting the human brain. They dissect a non-peer-reviewed MIT study showing a 47% drop in brain activity when people wrote with ChatGPT, debating whether AI builds 'cognitive debt' or, used interactively, can sharpen thinking. The conversation widens to AI companions like Grok's 'Annie', the loneliness epidemic, and the dangers of AI for developing young brains. The second half becomes a practical guide to brain health: exercise, sleep, the spacing effect, omega-3s, breathing, and avoiding artificial sweeteners. It closes with Bartlett resolving to 'do it the hard way' and think for himself when thinking matters.
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Daniel Amen
“I have a book called Raising Mentally Strong Kids, which I'm very happy about. And it starts with what kind of dad do I want to be” — Daniel Amen 00:56:32Find it on Amazon
Daniel Amen
“the incredible one that you wrote for parents called Raising Mentally Strong Kids. You've got your other book over there, Change Your Brain Every Day” — Steven Bartlett 01:25:31Find it on Amazon
Daniel Amen
“And I wrote a book called Healing Anxiety and Depression and like here's the seven things I see as an imager.” — Daniel Amen 01:12:39Find it on Amazon
Terry Sejnowski
“And I've got this book here from from Terry, which is The Deep Learning Revolution.” — Steven Bartlett 01:26:03Find it on Amazon
Terry Sejnowski
“And one you wrote most recently called ChatGPT and The Future of AI. I'm going to link all of them below.” — Steven Bartlett 01:26:03Find it on Amazon