Three war and intelligence experts argue World War III has already quietly begun, and walk through how a nuclear catastrophe could actually start.

Annie Jacobsen, Andrew Bustamante, and Benjamin — Annie Jacobsen is a journalist and author of seven books on war, weapons and intelligence, including 'Nuclear War: A Scenario.' Andrew Bustamante is a former clandestine CIA officer and Air Force veteran who once served in the ICBM nuclear chain of command. Benjamin is an Iranian-born author, journalist and educator who fled Iran's 1979 revolution and now teaches diplomacy and media literacy.
Steven Bartlett gathers three experts to assess whether the world is sliding into a third world war. They argue that modern conflict is less about tanks and more about proxy wars, information warfare, cyber attacks and trade/rare-earth leverage, and that the US-Iran-Israel confrontation and China-Taiwan tensions are flashpoints. A large portion explores nuclear weapons in granular detail: deterrence, tactical nukes, dirty bombs, the launch chain of command, the 'football' and 'dead hand' systems, and how close miscalculation or AI-generated misinformation could push the world to annihilation. The panel debates whether anywhere is safe in a nuclear war, the danger of AI-driven autonomous weapons, and ends on personal coping, media literacy, and Andrew's decision to leave the United States.
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Annie Jacobsen
“So my most recent book is called Nuclear War, a scenario. And in that book, I take the reader from nuclear launch to nuclear winter” — Annie Jacobsen 00:05:41Find it on Amazon