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Diary of a CEO · 2025-07-10 · 2h 35m

WW3 Threat Assessment: World War III Has Quietly Started!

Three war and intelligence experts argue World War III has already quietly begun, and walk through how a nuclear catastrophe could actually start.

WW3 Threat Assessment: World War III Has Quietly Started!
The guest

Annie Jacobsen, Andrew Bustamante, and Benjamin — Annie Jacobsen is a journalist and author of seven books on war, weapons and intelligence, including 'Nuclear War: A Scenario.' Andrew Bustamante is a former clandestine CIA officer and Air Force veteran who once served in the ICBM nuclear chain of command. Benjamin is an Iranian-born author, journalist and educator who fled Iran's 1979 revolution and now teaches diplomacy and media literacy.

The gist

Steven Bartlett gathers three experts to assess whether the world is sliding into a third world war. They argue that modern conflict is less about tanks and more about proxy wars, information warfare, cyber attacks and trade/rare-earth leverage, and that the US-Iran-Israel confrontation and China-Taiwan tensions are flashpoints. A large portion explores nuclear weapons in granular detail: deterrence, tactical nukes, dirty bombs, the launch chain of command, the 'football' and 'dead hand' systems, and how close miscalculation or AI-generated misinformation could push the world to annihilation. The panel debates whether anywhere is safe in a nuclear war, the danger of AI-driven autonomous weapons, and ends on personal coping, media literacy, and Andrew's decision to leave the United States.

Big reveals

  • Andrew Bustamante reveals he served underground in Montana overseeing Minuteman III missiles armed with 10 nuclear warheads each, with a nuclear key around his neck.
  • Andrew argues war and the Olympics are zero-sum and that the US is a 'zero-sum culture' that will never tolerate a near-peer competitor.
  • The panel says male leaders suffer from cognitive dissonance and 'double down' rather than admit error, which drives aggressive decisions.
  • Andrew estimates a roughly 30% chance of a nuclear detonation in our lifetime, up from the 15-20% he gave two years ago.
  • Annie names New Zealand and parts of Australia as the only likely-survivable zones in a nuclear winter, and reveals billionaires have built bunkers in New Zealand.
  • Annie recounts being told the Pentagon practices preparing to tell the president to launch nuclear weapons three times a day, once per shift.
  • Annie reveals she was invited to the Vatican to brief cardinals on her nuclear-war book so they could advise Pope Francis on peace.
  • Andrew announces he is leaving the United States with his family by 2026 and plans to change his appearance so he can no longer be identified.

Things worth remembering

  • Conflict zones worldwide have increased 66% in the last three years, and 59 states erupted in war since 2023, the most since 1946.
  • Jacobsen's book takes the reader from nuclear launch to nuclear winter in a span of 72 minutes.
  • In 1983 Soviet officer Stanislav Petrov chose not to report an apparent US missile launch up the chain, earning the title 'the man who saved the world.'
  • Uranium is enriched to ~20% for energy/medical use; 20-90% yields a dirty bomb and ~90% is weapons-grade — Iran reportedly reached 60%.
  • Israel's Mossad reportedly infiltrated a pager supply chain, planting explosives in the exact make and model that ended up with Hezbollah in Lebanon.
  • The world's nuclear stockpile fell from ~70,000 warheads in the 1980s to ~12,300 today, roughly 10,000 of them held by the US and Russia.
  • Russia's Cold War 'dead hand' system can automatically launch its entire nuclear arsenal even if its leadership is already dead.
  • US nuclear launch relies on the president's 'sole authority' and a 'black book' inside the football compared to picking strikes off a 'Denny's menu.'
  • A nuclear missile crosses continents in about 30 minutes: 33 minutes Pyongyang to DC, 26 minutes 40 seconds Russia to DC, leaving ~7 minutes to decide.
  • A Shahed drone recovered in Ukraine was Iranian-made with an American Nvidia processor and Chinese anti-GPS jamming, able to operate autonomously.

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Nuclear War: A Scenario

Annie Jacobsen

“So my most recent book is called Nuclear War, a scenario. And in that book, I take the reader from nuclear launch to nuclear winter” — Annie Jacobsen 00:05:41
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