Joe Rogan Experience #1970 - Bill Ottman

Bill Ottman explains how Minds is decentralizing by integrating the Nostr protocol, giving users cryptographic keys so they own their identity, content, and followers and can leave without losing anything. He and Rogan critique Big Tech censorship, the RESTRICT Act, California's AB587 (which Minds is suing over), and government surveillance tools like Pegasus, arguing open-source transparency is the only durable fix. The conversation turns to AI's scraping of the world's data, who should be compensated, and whether platforms should rev-share with users. The back half is a long exploration of UFO/UAP disclosure, AARO whistleblower protections, the Brazil 'Moment of Contact' case, and transhuman integration. Throughout, both push for 'steel-manning' opposing views and resetting polarized debates like abortion and climate.

• Minds is at about 5 million users after taking a 'haircut' on inflated counts from failed sign-ups; it refuses closed-source analytics like Google Analytics.
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• Minds is suing California (alongside Babylon Bee and Tim Pool/others) over AB587, which forces platforms to file hate-speech and 'misinformation' policies.
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• Rogan reveals a Canadian company cloned his voice into fake podcasts with Steve Jobs and Sam Altman, plus fake product ads he never recorded.
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• Twitter's open-sourced algorithm revealed that all outbound links are suppressed to keep users on-platform.
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• A played clip shows a government UFO program manager answering 'yes' when asked if the US has downed craft it is trying to reverse-engineer.
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• Christopher Mellon told Ottman that Bob Lazar should come forward through the new AARO whistleblower channel.
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• Minds moved its entire operation off Amazon AWS to Oracle, citing Oracle's stronger commitment to free speech.
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• The first recorded use of the word 'computer' (1613) referred to a human who performs computations.
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• The RESTRICT Act could carry up to 20-year penalties and would let the unelected Secretary of Commerce decide which apps are banned.
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• Minds uses the GPL v3 copyleft license, so others can run their own Minds but must publish any changes they make.
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• ChatGPT helped diagnose a dog's tick-borne babesiosis and IMHA from blood-test values after a vet missed it; the dog recovered.
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• Max Tegmark's institute and Elon Musk signed a letter to pause AI, while Musk reportedly bought thousands of GPUs for a Twitter AI project.
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• Jackie Gleason was allegedly shown alien bodies by Nixon and later built a house shaped like a flying saucer.
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• Minds reopened stock purchases via crowdfunding so the platform can be 'owned by the world.'
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• Minds contributed NIP-26 (delegated event signing) to Nostr so centralized sites could give users an 'escape hatch.'
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