Joe Rogan Experience #2452 - Roger Avary

The conversation opens as a genuine cinephile masterclass, with Avary dissecting the craft of filmmaking, film versus digital, classic directors (Welles, Herzog, Ridley Scott) and a long run of movie and TV recommendations. It then veers hard into conspiratorial territory: the Epstein files, ritual abuse, 9/11 Building 7, predictive programming in movies, and a 'missing thousand years' revisionist-history theory. The back half features an extended flat-earth debate where Avary plays provocateur and Joe pushes back. They close on encoded meaning in films (The Exorcist, Kubrick), faith-based and independent TV breaking through, and Avary's pivot to AI-made movies.

• Avary reveals he owns a Mitchell BNCR film camera and a sound blimp in his home, plus other vintage cameras.
  00:08:21
• Avary states flatly he believes elites are eating babies and that ~8,500 people secretly control the world.
  01:18:40
• Avary warns the audience that after the episode airs people will try to discredit him by saying 'Avery went to jail' and is 'a killer.'
  01:32:32
• On 9/11 Building 7, Joe argues it fell like a controlled demolition and calls anyone who denies it weird.
  01:43:25
• Avary argues astrophysics rests on a false premise and that 'experientially' the Earth is flat, while claiming he's mainly provoking.
  01:56:51
• Avary frames Fauci, AZT and COVID gain-of-function research as literally 'demonic' acts.
  02:36:16
• Avary lays out his theory that The Exorcist secretly encodes a real-life abuse story involving Shirley MacLaine's circle.
  02:46:11
• Avary reveals that simply attaching 'AI' got him funding for three feature films after struggling for years with traditional financing.
  03:02:27

• Orson Welles dug a hole in the studio concrete floor with a pickaxe to get a camera angle low enough for Citizen Kane.
  00:03:08
• Avary's Mitchell BNCR camera was reportedly used to shoot The Godfather.
  00:09:22
• Avary explains lens flare is now deliberately added because flat digital images need the faked 'depth' film naturally had.
  00:18:50
• Avary watches two to three episodes of Star Trek every single day with his Trekkie wife, cycling through the series chronologically.
  00:47:32
• Avary notes Fight Club producer Arnon Milchan publicly admitted to being a Mossad agent and made earlier films featuring planes hitting buildings.
  01:45:28
• Avary says he once worked for the DoD via John Milius, brainstorming fictional scenarios for attacking Los Angeles.
  01:46:31
• Avary cites the claim that the Hebrew words for 'God' and 'love' share the numerical value 26 via gematria.
  02:09:19
• The Chosen films on standing biblical sets the Mormons built in Utah, described as 'Cinecitta in Utah.'
  02:59:18
• Avary claims VFX that used to cost a million dollars a minute can now be done for about $5,000 a minute with AI.
  03:03:32
• Avary recounts a Canadian Winnipeg lab researcher (Dr. Qiu) allegedly shipping patented pathogens to Wuhan via Air Canada freight.
  02:36:47

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