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Tim Ferriss · 2023-06-05 · 2h 22m

Eric Cressey — Tactical Deep Dive on Back Pain, Movement Diagnosis, & More | The Tim Ferriss Podcast

Eric Cressey explains why MRIs mislead on back pain and how a movement diagnosis beats a medical one.

Eric Cressey — Tactical Deep Dive on Back Pain, Movement Diagnosis, & More | The Tim Ferriss Podcast
The guest

Eric Cressey — President/co-founder of Cressey Sports Performance and director of player health and performance for the New York Yankees; strength and conditioning coach known for extensive work with professional baseball players.

The gist

Tim Ferriss and Eric Cressey dig into low back pain, sparked by Tim's own escalating pain and a scary MRI report. Cressey argues that imaging of asymptomatic people routinely shows 'abnormalities' that don't correlate with pain, so back pain should be treated as a non-homogeneous condition needing a movement diagnosis, not just a medical one. They cover movement screens, fascia, manual therapy, the role of the glutes and posterior chain, thoracic and hip rotation, and training power as you age. Cressey shares his own story of self-rehabbing a shoulder tear to cancel surgery, and gives practical advice on advocating for yourself and finding qualified practitioners. They close on isometrics, hanging, youth-sports specialization, and why following marketable skills beats following your passion.

Big reveals

  • A 2009 Lancet article concluded lumbar imaging for low back pain without serious underlying conditions does not improve clinical outcomes, and clinicians should refrain from routine immediate lumbar imaging.
  • A landmark New England Journal of Medicine study of asymptomatic spines (about 98 subjects) found 82% had something on imaging (52% disc bulge, 27% protrusion, 1% extrusion) despite having no symptoms.
  • Cressey says 100% of his super-high-performing athletes would show something 'pathological' on a back MRI; abnormalities are the norm, not the exception.
  • He frames musculoskeletal health as a symptomatic threshold line: imaging findings may be significant, but the job of a movement diagnosis is to keep people below that pain threshold.
  • Cressey rehabbed his own partial rotator cuff tear without surgery in 2003, canceling a scheduled operation after redesigning his training and getting ART (Active Release Technique) soft tissue work.
  • He reframes 'I failed rehab' as 'rehab failed you' often the patient wasn't given hands-on therapy, correct exercises, or proper coaching, not that they didn't try.
  • He distinguishes 'get long, get strong, train hard' (a Charlie Weingroth line) the industry argues endlessly about the 'get long' (mobility) part while agreeing on the other two 99% of the time.
  • Stretching tight hamstrings can backfire because the tension is often protective (an anterior-tipped pelvis), and removing it leaves the back unstable; adding stability/motor control often resolves the tightness instead.

Things worth remembering

  • Cressey has deadlifted 660 pounds at a body weight of 181, and once did trap bar deadlifts of 415 for 25 reps on Thanksgiving morning, giving himself a four-day headache.
  • One study found radiologists shown patients' photographs before reading scans tended to read the images more intently.
  • A 2020 study of 230 knees (115 patients, average age 44) found abnormalities in 97%, with 30% showing meniscal tears, in a non-athletic population.
  • In Scandinavian junior basketball players, only 7% had clinical patellar tendinopathy, but ultrasound found tendinopathy in 26% of all tendons examined.
  • Tommy John surgery repairs a tiny elbow ligament subjected to extreme stress during the baseball throw, the fastest motion in sports.
  • A baseball pitcher's shoulder internally rotates at about 7,000 degrees per second.
  • The average Major League Baseball player gained 22 pounds (a 12% increase, from 188 to 210 pounds) between 1990 and 2010.
  • Dr. Keith Barr's research shows isometric holds of around 30 seconds benefit tendon health, producing biochemical responses not seen from concentric or eccentric loading.
  • Cressey's deadlift warm-up to 600 pounds builds gradually: 135, 225, 315, then 25-pound jumps to 365, 405, 455, 495.
  • Cressey notes you can do a weekend fitness certification in a day, while his optometrist wife spent nine years training on eyes a comment on the industry's low barrier to entry.

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