Joe Rogan Experience #2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

Joe Rogan hosts Derek of More Plates More Dates for a sprawling conversation centered on performance-enhancing drugs and the science and corruption of anti-doping. They detail how athletes evade testing through micro-dosing, blood doping, carbon-isotope-proof testosterone, and bribed labs, and dissect USADA's exposed practice of letting some dopers compete as informants. The talk ranges across MMA physiology (Yoel Romero, Jon Jones, Tom Aspinall, Alex Pereira), supplements like creatine, recovery tech like EMS and Iron Neck, hormone replacement, and Derek's own archery-injury rehab. They also riff on OnlyFans economics, trans athletes in sports, the COVID lab-leak report, leg-lengthening surgery, and Canada's high taxes and cost of living.

• Derek says a WADA press release exposed USADA covering up positive tests and letting elite athletes keep doping if they acted as informants.
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• Many sports do not store urine samples, so athletes ahead of the testing curve can never be retroactively caught.
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• Derek cites a paper finding ~75% of Olympic medalists who tested positive were caught years later, not at the time of winning.
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• Joe credits the NuFit EMS device, combined with stem cells and peptides, with fully resolving his archery-induced sciatica and back pain.
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• Derek alleges a fighter had blood removed and chilled, made weight, then re-infused his own blood as undetectable blood doping.
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• The transcript references a 500-page House report concluding COVID-19 likely originated from a Wuhan lab incident.
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• Derek blames Biden's 1990s scheduling of steroids for halting development of safer, non-masculinizing anabolics.
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• Trimetazidine, an angina drug, shifts fuel use toward glucose to conserve oxygen, making it performance-enhancing in endurance events.
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• Testosterone is synthesized at scale from compounds in wild yams and soy that resemble cholesterol molecularly.
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• Beta blockers like propranolol are used by archers, snipers, pianists, and public speakers to suppress the anxiety response.
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• Yoel Romero's neck is fully fused, letting him absorb head strikes without his head snapping around.
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• No one knows if the 1962 Alcatraz escapees survived; one man has reportedly swum from Alcatraz 979 times.
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• Cerebrolysin, not yet tested for by WADA, is touted as a source of NGF/BDNF that may grow new brain cells after head trauma.
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• Some studies suggest creatine benefits up to 20 grams a day, far above the standard 5-gram recommendation.
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• Pereira reportedly registered 190 on a punch power-pad; the highest Joe scored with a kick was about 157.
  02:32:29
• Derek notes the spinning back kick Jon Jones used on Stipe Miocic is the same kick Max Holloway landed on Justin Gaethje.
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