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Tim Ferriss · 2023-05-03 · 1h 40m

A $1M Bitcoin Bet, Preventing Hangovers, AI Companions, Affordable Luxuries, Hi-Fi Audio, and More!

Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose riff on rare beer, affordable luxuries, AI companions, Balaji's $1M Bitcoin bet, Zen, and hi-fi audio.

A $1M Bitcoin Bet, Preventing Hangovers, AI Companions, Affordable Luxuries, Hi-Fi Audio, and More!
The guest

Kevin Rose — Kevin Rose with Tim Ferriss

The gist

This installment of The Random Show finds Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose in Kevin's home talking through affordable luxuries (rare IPAs, single-origin coffee, fine chocolate, soap), hangovers, and the ZBiotics pre-alcohol probiotic. Kevin details how ChatGPT-4 has transformed his coding and art workflow, leading to a long riff on AI companions, Replika, and the movie Her. They dissect Balaji Srinivasan's million-dollar bet that Bitcoin will hit $1M in 90 days, debating hyperinflation, gold as a safe haven, and crypto's correlation to the S&P. Lighter segments cover Kevin learning to write right-handed from a kids' workbook, his Tokyo trip and Zen meeting, Japanese death poems, escape rooms, and Tim's first high-fidelity immersive audio experience.

Big reveals

  • Kevin shares Pliny the Younger by Russian River Brewing as his rare-beer obsession, calling it the most sought-after IPA in the world at $75 a one-pint bottle, sourced via the peer-to-peer marketplace MyBeerCollectibles.com which sells the bottles as collectibles to skirt online alcohol-sale rules.
  • Tim introduces ZBiotics, a pre-alcohol probiotic drink built on genetically engineered Bacillus subtilis (ZB183) that claims to break down acetaldehyde; he asks listeners with scientific backgrounds to weigh in, while Kevin reports it didn't work for him after heavy drinking.
  • Kevin argues that 'if software ate the world, AI is going to eat the software,' predicting AI will reimagine every productivity tool and that his ChatGPT usage jumped from 30 minutes to about five hours a week once GPT-4 launched.
  • Both discuss AI companions as a coming relationship crisis, citing Replika (which Kevin nearly invested in) and the movie Her; Kevin predicts AI partners within three years and Darya weighs in that an AI relationship would count as cheating.
  • They break down Balaji Srinivasan's bet of $1M that Bitcoin hits $1 million per coin within 90 days (by ~June 17), with Tim calling the public pronouncement irresponsible and both noting that if hyperinflation drove Bitcoin to $1M, a million dollars might only buy a sandwich.
  • Kevin reveals a New Year's resolution: learning to write with his right hand using an 'ABC Letter Tracing Practice Workbook for Kids, Ages 3+,' inspired by watching his kids learn and wanting to activate something new in his brain.
  • Kevin recounts meeting the head of the Sanbo Zen lineage in Tokyo, whose key advice was 'don't miss a day' of practice, even five minutes; since then Kevin hasn't broken his daily meditation streak.
  • Tim describes his first high-fidelity immersive audio experience at a store called Common Wave, comparing it to a psychedelic experience and realizing how much detail he'd been missing at low bit rates.

Things worth remembering

  • Tim notes Erewhon is an anagram of 'nowhere' and recounts paying $147 for roughly two meals, a kombucha, and a water there.
  • Kevin pays up for Proud Mary's single-origin Geisha varietal coffee, brewing it pour-over with 32 grams of coffee to 350 ml of water and no additives.
  • Both confess to abandoning Bulletproof coffee (MCT oil and butter) after Peter Attia flagged jacked-up cholesterol markers.
  • Tim's CØCKPUNCH NFT art competition raised roughly $1.7–2 million for scientific research, and he announces plans for new AI art competitions.
  • Kevin describes 'Unstable Diffusion,' a Discord that stripped the guardrails off open-sourced Stable Diffusion to generate hyper-realistic explicit imagery.
  • Bitcoin's Lightning Network is a layer-two that the whitepaper claims can scale to roughly a million transactions per second, versus base-layer Bitcoin's low double-digit TPS.
  • Bitcoin undergoes a halving roughly every four years, with the next due in a little over a year; prices have historically risen around halving events.
  • Since November, gold has run up about 40 percent as China and Russia buy gold (not Bitcoin), which Kevin reads as a flight to safety rather than a new world currency.
  • Nintendo was founded in the late 1800s and first became famous making Hanafuda playing cards, a Japanese matching game Tim played as an exchange student.
  • Kevin recommends Bowers & Wilkins PX7 headphones (around $800) for lossless over-the-air audio, now that Apple Music supports lossless, as a far cheaper alternative to six-figure in-home hi-fi rigs.

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