The Random Show with Kevin Rose — Current Books, Men's Groups, the Latest in NFTs, and More

In this Random Show episode, Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose open with their stubbornly frugal habits before diving into recent book recommendations spanning Japanese woodblock prints, ethnobotany, magic, and fiction. Kevin shares his experience joining a men's therapy group led by therapist Terry Real and recommends Real's book Fierce Intimacy, sparking a discussion about masculinity, social belonging, and emotional release. The bulk of the conversation centers on NFTs: Tim's first NFT (a published fiction piece called 'How to Start a War') created through Kevin's Grails project, and a detailed breakdown of utility NFTs, the risks of over-promising, and how the Proof Collective and Moonbirds projects are structured. They close on the excitement of being early to a new technology and the importance of risk-intelligent, diligence-driven investing.

• Kevin explains he created the Grails NFT project with 20 anonymous artists where buyers picked a piece before a 'grand reveal,' with 100% of sales and royalties going directly to the artists.
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• Tim reveals his first-ever NFT is also his first published fiction, a ~1,400-word piece titled 'How to Start a War,' viewable at tim.blog/nft.
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• Tim says all proceeds from his NFT go to his foundation, funding scientific research focused primarily on mental health and possibly longevity.
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• One of Tim's NFTs sold for 15 ETH (around $50k at the time), with strong secondary sales.
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• Kevin details the Proof Collective's solution to utility NFT 'end of life': a three-year limit after which a well-known artist converts membership cards into real, individually collectible art.
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• Kevin describes the Moonbirds project's 'nesting' mechanic, an airline-miles-style tiered system where holders lock up their asset to earn status and benefits over time.
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• Kevin reveals he sits on the board of Harlan Estate, the cult Napa winery, which also owns Meadowood and its three-Michelin-star restaurant.
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• Tim describes drinking a single tobacco-infused bourbon cocktail and becoming so buzzed he felt his feet sinking into the ground and nearly fell over.
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• Tim notes there is no compelling evidence that the Bufo alvarius (Sonoran Desert) toad source of 5-MeO-DMT was actually used by any indigenous group.
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• Ken Nelson, an amateur biochemist, developed the method of smoking Bufo alvarius venom as a means of consuming 5-MeO-DMT.
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• Tim shares his policy of refusing to read books published in the current year because he is sent dozens of unrequested books weekly; he points people to tim.blog/newbooks.
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• Kevin was invited into a men's therapy group of about eight people over Zoom run by therapist Terry Real, meeting in two-hour sessions a couple times a month.
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• Tim cites a Mark Twain quote he uses as a guiding principle: 'whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.'
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• The current price for a Proof Collective membership (one of only 1,000) is around $300,000.
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• Kevin recounts betting Adam Gazzaley a bottle of Hibiki 30 about five years ago that VR would take off; Gazzaley still hasn't paid up.
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• At the Marfa, Texas NFT gathering, Tim slept on a couch shivering in 40-degree cold, only to discover a drawer full of comforters on the last day.
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• When asked at a conference about his big new project, Tim answered that he is 'mostly trying to figure out how to talk to animals,' reflecting his deep interest in animal tracking.
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