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Craig Jones: Jiu Jitsu, $2 Million Prize, CJI, ADCC, Ukraine & Trolling | Lex Fridman Podcast #439

Submission grappler Craig Jones on his rival CJI tournament, frontline trips to Ukraine, trolling, and the art of jiu-jitsu.

Craig Jones: Jiu Jitsu, $2 Million Prize, CJI, ADCC, Ukraine & Trolling | Lex Fridman Podcast #439
The guest

Craig Jones — Australian martial artist and one of the world's top submission grapplers, known for non-stop sexualized humor and online trolling. He is the organizer of the CJI grappling tournament with over $2 million in prize money, running the same weekend as the prestigious ADCC.

The gist

Craig Jones joins Lex Fridman to discuss launching the CJI grappling tournament, a free-to-watch event with over $2 million in prize money scheduled head-to-head against ADCC, funded by an anonymous investor and run as a nonprofit for charity. He recounts two recent trips to Ukraine, including getting within a kilometer of the front line in Kherson and Chernobyl, and reflects on drone warfare, artillery, and the soldiers he met. He explains his feud with ADCC over athlete pay and his belief that growing the sport requires free, accessible content rather than paywalls. The conversation also covers his upcoming super-fight against Gabi Garcia, the innovative angled-wall 'Alley' rule set, his approach to training and innovation, and the philosophy behind his trolling.

Big reveals

  • CJI tournament has roughly a $3 million budget, two divisions, two super fights, with $1 million to each division winner and $10,000 plus one to everyone who competes — more than ADCC pays to win.
  • CJI was sparked when the ADCC promoter told Craig 'go get $2 million and put on your own tournament,' and an anonymous friend then donated a $3 million budget for the trolling and to support the sport.
  • Craig alleges that once CJI began signing athletes, ADCC matched women's pay to men's and began paying 'show money' (allegedly under-the-table payments) to keep athletes from defecting.
  • Craig argues the most wanted military technology in Ukraine is autonomous drone defense, and warns of a future of AI-controlled drone swarms killing indiscriminately.
  • Craig and Gabi Garcia have a wager: if she wins she gets $1 million, and if he can foot-lock her they will collaborate on an OnlyFans sex tape — which he jokes 'could fund the entire tournament.'
  • CJI uses an angled-wall rectangular pit called 'The Alley' (inspired by karate combat) to minimize referee resets and stalling, with MMA-style 10-point round scoring to appeal to a broader audience.
  • CJI is a nonprofit; ticket proceeds go to charity including Tap Cancer Out, with two donors agreeing to match donations dollar-for-dollar, while the event is streamed free on Meta, X, and YouTube.
  • Craig says it would take half a million dollars to convince him to rematch Nicholas Meregali, claiming he beats anyone in the world over five minutes.

Things worth remembering

  • Lex notes he trains regularly with many of the athletes and considers Craig, Gordon Ryan, and John Danaher friends.
  • Craig brought $1 million in cash to Joe Rogan's podcast with no security except Rogan's, transported by a sponsor's friend who had never met him.
  • Craig's Ukraine seminar became the biggest jiu-jitsu seminar in Ukrainian history despite the war.
  • During his first Kyiv trip, a hypersonic missile was shot down by a US Patriot defense system about 5 minutes from his hotel, shaking the building; he took a piece of the missile home.
  • Craig visited Chernobyl during the war, passing roughly four security checkpoints; the site is now covered in mines and largely abandoned.
  • A $300-$500 FPV drone can destroy a roughly $3 million Russian tank, and Ukraine is considered a world leader in budget drone technology.
  • At ADCC, losing on day one earns $0, and even losing in the final earns only about $6,000, with third place $3,000 and fourth $1,000.
  • Craig claims CJI is paying about $200,000 for the Thomas & Mack venue versus ADCC's $2 million for T-Mobile Arena, questioning the lack of athlete pay increase.
  • Gabi Garcia is roughly 6'3"-6'4" weighing 220-275 lbs, while Craig is about 179 lbs and 5'10", a major size disadvantage in their super fight.
  • Craig openly states he discloses what substances he's on, and finds steroid accusations without data distasteful since some athletes are simply genetically gifted.

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