Rick Perry & W. Bryan Hubbard — Rick Perry is the former Republican governor of Texas and U.S. Energy Secretary; W. Bryan Hubbard formerly chaired Kentucky's opioid abatement commission. Together they co-founded Americans for Ibogaine to bring the psychedelic to market as a medical treatment.
The gist
Perry and Hubbard update Joe Rogan on the ibogaine movement 15 months after their first appearance. They reveal that Texas has just committed a full $100 million to develop ibogaine through the FDA process as a breakthrough treatment for opioid addiction, PTSD, and traumatic brain injury. They walk through the science (neuroplasticity windows, Stanford brain-scan studies, 85-98% addiction-interruption rates), Perry's own personal ibogaine treatment that reportedly reversed his brain atrophy, and a state-by-state legislative roll call of bills joining Texas. The conversation widens into themes of curiosity over dogma, spiritual famine in America, federal right-to-try law, and a pointed political attack on Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear.
Big reveals
- Hubbard confirms Texas will fully fund the Texas Ibogaine Initiative on its own, committing a full $100 million.
- Rick Perry admits he secretly battled anxiety and insomnia (3.5-4 hours of sleep) throughout his political career, hidden from senior staff.
- Perry's neurosurgeon told him his brain atrophy was gone six months after ibogaine treatment and that his brain 'looks like a 40-year-old.'
- Joe Rogan says he would 'definitely' get treated with ibogaine for cumulative concussion damage.
- West Virginia's legislature passed its ibogaine bill unanimously (96-0 House, unanimous Senate); Mississippi passed 111-1 and 51-1.
- Hubbard reveals the government of Gabon named Americans for Ibogaine its official global partner for iboga medicine.
- Hubbard alleges a Kentucky unemployment director, Muncy Macnamara, took his own life after being scapegoated by Gov. Beshear.
- Hubbard claims Andy Beshear and his father drew paychecks from a law firm that represented Purdue Pharma against Kentucky.
Things worth remembering
- Ibogaine's neuroplasticity 'critical period' lasts 90-120 days, versus 48-72 hours for ketamine and 14-28 days for psilocybin.
- One oral dose of ibogaine can eliminate opioid addiction in 48-72 hours; abstinence programs typically take 18 months.
- Two ibogaine doses reportedly raise the addiction-interruption success rate to about 98%.
- Some Israeli scholars argue Moses's burning bush was an acacia tree, which is rich in DMT.
- The 'lazy Southerner' stereotype originated from widespread hookworm infection that sapped people's energy and cognition.
- Federal right-to-try law lets patients with life-threatening conditions access any medication that clears FDA phase-one safety testing.
- In the wild, the iboga shrub grows next to an identical 'poison impostor' bush; only at year 10 does the real one bear fruit.
- Over the last 10 years, 1.5 million Americans died from overdose, alcohol disease, and suicide—more than all U.S. war casualties since 1776.
- The speakers cite 102 U.S. counties with life expectancies lower than North Korea's.
- Standard opioid-dependency treatment is cited at $700,000 per patient and fails roughly 75% of the time.
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