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Lex Fridman · 2023-07-17 · 2h 44m

Yuval Noah Harari: Human Nature, Intelligence, Power, and Conspiracies | Lex Fridman Podcast #390

Historian Yuval Noah Harari on how stories rule humanity, why AI is an alien intelligence that could enslave us, and where real meaning lives.

Yuval Noah Harari: Human Nature, Intelligence, Power, and Conspiracies | Lex Fridman Podcast #390
The guest

Yuval Noah Harari — Historian, philosopher, and bestselling author of Sapiens, Homo Deus, and 21 Lessons for the 21st Century. An outspoken critic of Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel's right-wing government.

The gist

Harari argues that what made Homo sapiens dominant is not individual intelligence but the ability to cooperate flexibly in huge numbers through shared fictional stories like money, religion, and nations. He frames AI as an 'alien intelligence' that can make decisions and create ideas by itself, taking power away from humans and threatening to flood society with fake humans and manipulative intimacy. The conversation ranges across truth, suffering, fascism vs. communism vs. liberalism, the corrupting nature of unchecked power, and the political crisis in Israel. It also covers conspiracy theories and why they are always wrong, the war in Ukraine, and the danger of corporations using AI and bioengineering to 'downgrade' humanity by stripping compassion and spirituality. Harari closes on a personal note about meditation, coming out as gay, the fear of death, and his view that the meaning of life is found non-verbally by observing suffering directly.

Big reveals

  • Claims the aliens are already here, but they came from Silicon Valley, not outer space: AI is 'alien intelligence.'
  • Predicts the legal system will soon be forced to treat AI as conscious because of social convention, even though he doubts it is.
  • Warns AI-driven tools for grabbing human intimacy are 'psychological and social weapons of mass destruction.'
  • Argues it should be illegal for an AI to pretend to be a human being, the same way we ban fake money.
  • Contrarian take: teaching fascism as a 'monster' backfires, because the fascist story always looks beautiful in the mirror.
  • Says Netanyahu may go down in history as the man who destroys Israel by tearing apart its single check on power.
  • Describes Israel as a de facto 'three-class state' that has abandoned the two-state solution.
  • States AI is the first tool in history that can both make decisions and create new ideas by itself, so it takes power from humans rather than empowering them.

Things worth remembering

  • Intelligence (solving problems) and consciousness (feeling) are different things; computers are highly intelligent with zero consciousness.
  • Pigs are more intelligent than dogs and cats by many measures, yet people treat their dog as conscious and bacon as not.
  • Money is 'the most successful story ever told'; most dollars today are just electronic information, valuable only because everyone believes the story.
  • If you rewound history and pressed play 100 times, Christianity would take over the Roman Empire maybe twice; its rise was wildly unlikely.
  • Harari's three-question test for liberalism: can people choose their own government, profession, and spouse?
  • Calls feminism perhaps the most successful social movement of the modern age, achieving deep change with almost no violence or assassinations.
  • The 2003 US invasion of Iraq shows real plans backfire: the biggest winner of the war was Iran.
  • Harari meditates about two hours every day and goes on silent Vipassana retreats of 30 to 60 days each year.
  • He calls delete 'the most important button on the keyboard'; he writes Big Ideas then forces himself to delete them to avoid attachment.
  • His answer to the meaning of life: life is feeling things, and the real question to observe non-verbally is what suffering is and where it comes from.

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Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind

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Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow

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21 Lessons for the 21st Century

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“author of several highly acclaimed highly influential books including sapiens homodeus and 21 lessons for the 21st century” — Lex Fridman 00:00:31
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