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Overcoming Depression, Burnout, Anxiety and Insomnia with Dan Murray-Serter | E54

Heights founder Dan Murray-Serter on overcoming depression, burnout, anxiety and insomnia, ayahuasca, and building a brain-care brand.

Overcoming Depression, Burnout, Anxiety and Insomnia with Dan Murray-Serter | E54
The guest

Dan Murray-Serter — Entrepreneur and co-founder of the brain-care supplement brand Heights, host of the Secret Leaders podcast, previously founder of the fashion app Grabble.

The gist

Dan Murray-Serter walks Steven Bartlett through his sequence of mental health struggles: a buried teenage bulimia, depression after his father's death, burnout while running his failed startup Grabble, and six months of anxiety-driven insomnia. He describes how repeated ayahuasca ceremonies reshaped his beliefs, cured his depression and removed his fear of death, and how a dietitian's omega-3, B-vitamin and blueberry-extract advice cured his insomnia and inspired him to start Heights. The conversation ranges over imposter syndrome, personal branding, scheduling habits to prevent burnout, and treating a marriage like a business with OKRs and habit trackers. They close on death, happiness versus fulfillment, and Dan's ideal dinner-party guests.

Big reveals

  • Dan reveals he had bulimia for about four years in his twenties, throwing up involuntarily, a story he had buried and never told publicly until a recent newsletter.
  • He once coughed a hole in his throat (a pneumomediastinum) at a festival, his head swelled, and he spent a week in intensive care.
  • His only real depressive episode followed his father's death, after his dad survived six months on life support only to die of a cold caught in recovery.
  • Ayahuasca flipped him from a cynical atheist to spiritually 'enlightened'; he has now done it about 12 times, going back roughly every year.
  • He had insomnia for six months waking at 2am unable to sleep, and a dietitian's three supplements (omega-3, B vitamins, blueberry extract) fixed it within two weeks.
  • Dan and his wife spent their first year together non-monogamous and have openly discussed reopening the relationship in future if attraction fades.
  • Steven shares a never-before-told story of ending a relationship with an intellectually perfect, gorgeous partner because the sexual chemistry simply wasn't there.

Things worth remembering

  • Dan grew up Jewish and notes Judaism is both a race and a religion, so you can lose the religion but keep the cultural identity.
  • Ayahuasca is tree sap from the Amazon, practiced for thousands of years, and shamans hold a legal license to administer it.
  • Heights began as a weekly newsletter where Dan distilled one science paper at a time; he had read over 100 papers in about 100 weeks.
  • Dan's number one health hack is an undistracted daily walk, through which he gets through roughly 50 books a year via audio.
  • The human brain is about 60 percent fat, and roughly 90 percent of that fat is the compound DHA.
  • The minimum legal omega-3 dose to matter is around 250mg, but Seven Seas allegedly puts only 45mg in its bestseller, so you'd need six days' worth for one day's dose.
  • Dan frames his life through the Japanese concept of ikigai and honeymooned in Japan after discovering it.
  • He and his wife apply OKRs to their marriage, breaking goals into mind, body and soul with a nightly habit tracker.

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Guest’s ownProduct

Heights

Heights

“we launched january the 6th in a pandemic well not in a pandemic yet ... and so i started heights” — Dan Murray-Serter 01:03:21
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RecommendedBook

Sex at Dawn

Christopher Ryan (inferred)

“i told you about this book sex at dawn i highly recommend you read it so i had been telling myself the story” — Dan Murray-Serter 01:25:35
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RecommendedBook

Meditations

Marcus Aurelius

“marcus aurelius i would say one big fan of meditations ... i read it again every year it takes like an hour to read” — Dan Murray-Serter 02:00:44
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Rest

Alex Soojung-Kim Pang

“i read an amazing book called rest by alex song yam ping i think his name is um brilliant book much better than why we sleep” — Dan Murray-Serter 01:47:47
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Secret Leaders

Dan Murray-Serter (inferred)

“you've got a great podcast secret leaders you've got a new podcast as well which is centered around your brand heights” — Steven Bartlett 00:25:25
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