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Lex Fridman · 2020-06-20 · 1h 27m

Steven Pressfield: The War of Art | Lex Fridman Podcast #102

Steven Pressfield reframes war as a metaphor for the inner creative battle, casting Resistance as the ego's fearful enemy of the self.

Steven Pressfield: The War of Art | Lex Fridman Podcast #102
The guest

Steven Pressfield — Bestselling author of The War of Art and historical-fiction novels like Gates of Fire about the Spartans. He is renowned for articulating the creative struggle against 'Resistance.'

The gist

Lex Fridman talks with author Steven Pressfield, opening on war and human nature before Pressfield reframes the discussion: he is less interested in literal war than in war as a metaphor for the inner battle against self-doubt and Resistance. They explore mortality, reincarnation, and the muse as a source of ideas from another realm. Pressfield lays out his core dichotomy of ego versus self, with Resistance as the ego's fearful voice trying to keep control. The conversation closes on his daily writing practice, the role of an editor, and the balance between obsessive work and health.

Big reveals

  • Pressfield reframes the entire war discussion: he is not really interested in war, but in war as a metaphor for his own internal war against Resistance.
  • He claims modern people are too 'fat and lazy' and click-obsessed to muster appetite for war anymore.
  • At 75, Pressfield admits he thinks about his own mortality constantly and finds relief that a same-age friend does 'every fucking minute.'
  • He reveals he is a believer in previous lives and reincarnation, citing children's innate personalities as evidence.
  • He locates Resistance in Jewish mysticism as the yetzer hara and frames it as the voice of the ego.
  • He delivers his central thesis: the ego (fear, separateness, death is real) versus the self (love, oneness, death is not real).
  • He admits he keeps his writing rituals secret because talking about them 'jinxes things.'

Things worth remembering

  • A Spartan king, shown a weapon that could kill at 200 yards, wept and said 'alas valor is no more.'
  • Spartan honor held you should not be able to kill someone unless you were in equal danger of being killed.
  • Pressfield says he has a hard time killing a spider, so killing a person would change you utterly forever.
  • He tracked bodies of work like Bruce Springsteen's albums and Philip Roth's books to argue each life has a unique destiny.
  • He uses the film City of Angels as an analogy for unseen beings carrying our future ideas to us.
  • He says four hours is the maximum he can write per day and doesn't understand people who claim ten or twelve.
  • He stops each writing session when he knows what comes next, a trick he attributes to Hemingway or Steinbeck.
  • His perfect day starts with the gym at a 'ridiculously early' hour, then about three hours of writing before shutting off completely.

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