Bret Weinstein pitches a hidden layer of evolution, then he and Rogan unload on COVID vaccines, ivermectin suppression, and Sam Harris.

Bret Weinstein — Evolutionary biologist, former Evergreen State College professor, and podcaster (DarkHorse). Co-author with Heather Heying of 'A Hunter-Gatherer's Guide to the 21st Century' and a prominent COVID-era critic of mRNA vaccines and ivermectin suppression.
Weinstein returns for a quick turnaround to lay out his contrarian evolution theory: that integers/variables stored in non-coding DNA (like telomeres and variable-number tandem repeats) let evolution explore 'adjacent' body forms far faster than random protein mutations alone. He uses bat wings and flying squirrels to illustrate how flight could evolve. The conversation then turns sharply to modern dysfunction: hyper-novelty outpacing human adaptation, microplastics and endocrine disruptors, porn and sex robots wrecking relationships, and a long stretch on COVID. Weinstein and Rogan argue the mRNA platform itself (not the COVID component) is dangerous, that ivermectin was deliberately suppressed via rigged trials, and that Sam Harris is intellectually stuck for refusing to admit he was wrong. They close on financial-system fears (CBDCs, 'The Great Taking') and free-speech/UK censorship concerns.
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