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Lex Fridman · 2023-07-12 · 1h 11m

Benjamin Netanyahu: Israel, Palestine, Power, Corruption, Hate, and Peace | Lex Fridman Podcast #389

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu defends his judicial reform, lays out his vision for Middle East peace via the Arab world, and warns about Iran and AI.

Benjamin Netanyahu: Israel, Palestine, Power, Corruption, Hate, and Peace | Lex Fridman Podcast #389
The guest

Benjamin Netanyahu — Prime Minister of Israel serving his sixth term, leading a right-wing coalition government. One of the most influential and controversial figures in global politics, MIT-educated and a former special forces soldier.

The gist

Netanyahu pushes back on Lex Fridman's framing of him as widely hated, arguing he enjoys broad international support and points to four historic Arab peace agreements made under his leadership. He defends his government's contested judicial reform as restoring checks and balances against an overly activist Supreme Court, and dismisses his corruption cases as collapsing. The conversation ranges across AI's threat to jobs and security, the corrupting nature of power, and monopoly regulation. The core of his peace argument is an 'outside-in' strategy: making peace with the broader Arab world (98 percent) to eventually pressure the Palestinians (2 percent) into coexistence, with Israel retaining overall security control. He closes with reflections on Iran as an existential threat, lessons from his historian father, and his own mortality.

Big reveals

  • Argues threats to annihilate must be taken literally, drawing a direct line from Hitler to Iran today.
  • Says he personally killed the 'sweeping override clause' that critics feared, claiming most criticism targets something that no longer exists.
  • Claims his corruption cases are 'collapsing before our eyes' and that judges questioned the bribery charges before any defense witness was called.
  • States the Palestinians 'want a state instead of Israel,' not next to it, and that two states in the usual sense won't work.
  • Frames his solution: Palestinians get 'all the powers to govern themselves and none of the powers to threaten Israel.'
  • Reveals his outside-in strategy of going directly to Arab capitals to forge the Abraham Accords rather than waiting on the Palestinians.
  • Recounts Gulf States calling his delegation in disbelief during his anti-Iran-deal speech to the U.S. Congress.
  • Admits he is afraid of death, calling the brain's ability to contemplate its own demise an unhappy thing.

Things worth remembering

  • Claims Israel's GDP per capita rose from $17,000 to $54,000, overtaking Japan, France, Britain and Germany.
  • Says Nvidia decided to build a supercomputer in Israel and Intel chose to invest $25 billion in a new plant there.
  • Notes Israel has robust medical records on 98 percent of its population and muses about adding a genetic database.
  • Says he rarely reads novels but a cyber-war novel inspired him to make Israel one of the world's five cyber powers.
  • Describes the West Bank and Israel as roughly the width of the Washington Beltway, crossable by fighter jet in 90 seconds.
  • Claims about 90 percent of Israelis in Judea and Samaria live in urban blocs expected to remain part of Israel.
  • States the Palestinians are about 2 percent of the Arab world, the rest being 98 percent.
  • His historian father told him the most important quality for an Israeli leader is a broad and deep education.
  • Cites Kissinger's idea that public life depletes intellectual capital, but disagrees and insists on constant learning.
  • Calls Israel the 'sixth eye' and pitches a 'coalition of the smarts' between Israel and the United States.

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