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Lex Fridman · 2023-05-28 · 2h 07m

Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication | Lex Fridman Podcast #380

MIT's Neil Gershenfeld explains how self-replicating robots and digital fabrication could turn descriptions into things and bootstrap civilizations.

Neil Gershenfeld: Self-Replicating Robots and the Future of Fabrication | Lex Fridman Podcast #380
The guest

Neil Gershenfeld — Director of MIT's Center for Bits and Atoms, a pioneer of digital fabrication who started the global Fab Lab network and the 'How to Make Almost Anything' course. His work spans self-replicating robots, quantum computing, and synthetic life.

The gist

Gershenfeld argues that Turing and Von Neumann made a foundational physics mistake by separating the computer's 'head' from its 'tape,' divorcing software from hardware. He lays out a vision of digital fabrication where, like the ribosome, a code does not describe a thing but becomes the thing, with error-correcting assembler robots that build copies of themselves from a small set of about 20 building blocks. He traces this through his lab's work on ultralight aerospace materials, microfluidic bubble logic, early NMR quantum computing, and the 2,500-lab global Fab Lab network. The conversation ranges across Maxwell's demon and the thermodynamics of computation, the limits and hype of AI and quantum computing, and a physics in which information and computation are the fundamental resources of the universe. It closes on the social and existential implications: distributed local production, the untapped global 'density of bright inventive people,' and the meaning of life as the propagation of life up a recursive hierarchy.

Big reveals

  • Claims Turing and Von Neumann made a fundamental physics mistake by separating the head from the tape, i.e. software from hardware.
  • Notes both Turing and Von Neumann ended their lives studying how software becomes hardware (morphogenesis and self-reproducing automata).
  • Reveals an accident in sensing Yo-Yo Ma's cello led to a $100M/year auto airbag-safety sensor business.
  • Argues the real birth of digital manufacturing was four billion years ago with the ribosome, not 1952.
  • Says his students published a Nature Communications paper showing a robot that can be built from the parts it is itself making.
  • States a Fab Lab can make a bio lab and that home-brewed biological threats are something he genuinely worries about.
  • Predicts we are nearing the end of the current AI boom and that the next frontier is embodied 'molecular intelligence.'
  • Contends the equations of physics are not fundamental but a pencil-and-paper-era representation, and that information and computation are the real root.

Things worth remembering

  • A ribosome makes only about one molecule per second, but trillions of them building ribosomes can assemble an elephant.
  • CBA's tools range from zeptojoule electronics to 10-million-RPM diamond bearings to robots for 100-meter space structures.
  • Mixing chemicals has an error rate of ~1 in 100; protein elongation is ~1 in 10,000; DNA replication is ~1 in 100 million.
  • A 100-petaflop supercomputer and the human brain both run at about 10^17 operations per second.
  • A chip fab places ~10^10 transistors per second while your body places ~10^18 parts per second, an eight-order-of-magnitude gap.
  • The Fab Lab network spans ~2,500 labs in 125 countries and doubles every year and a half ('Lass's law').
  • Digital's head of DEC, Ken Olsen, famously said you don't need a computer at home, and the company missed personal computing.
  • All of biology composes itself from just ~20 amino acids that are notable for being unremarkable but 'good enough.'
  • Maxwell's demon was so infuriating that three advisors and advisees in a row who worked on it died by suicide.
  • Landauer showed Maxwell's demon's secret is memory; Bennett showed you can compute with arbitrarily low energy by running it reversibly.