Strength coach Pavel Tsatsouline teaches Andrew Huberman how to build real strength, endurance, and flexibility at any age by training strength as a skill.

Pavel Tsatsouline — Founder of StrongFirst and widely considered one of the world's premier strength and kettlebell training coaches. A former Soviet special-forces instructor, he popularized kettlebells in the West and coined the 'greasing the groove' training method.
Pavel argues that strength is the 'mother quality' underlying all other fitness attributes and should be trained as a skill rather than chased through pumps, soreness, or exhaustion. He breaks down practical tools across barbell, kettlebell, and bodyweight training, explaining concepts like greasing the groove, anti-glycolytic endurance, eccentric and isometric work, and the differences between the Soviet weightlifting and American powerlifting systems. The conversation covers programming, recovery (heterochronicity), cycle length, grip strength, abdominal bracing and breathing, flexibility, and how to combine strength and endurance without one destroying the other. Huberman layers in neuroscience on motor-neuron recruitment, adrenaline, disinhibition, and choking. Throughout, the theme is quality over quantity, never training to failure, and consistency over intensity, illustrated by inspiring older trainees including Pavel's 87-year-old father.
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Iron Mind
“the best product for that would be the captains of Crush grippers from Iron mind ... their grippers are the golden standard” — Pavel Tsatsouline 00:25:02Find it on Amazon
Pavel Tsatsouline
“so I read The Naked Warrior I was closed when I when I read it um but it's a wonderful book because it talks about body weight only exercises” — Pavel Tsatsouline 00:56:55Find it on Amazon
Pavel Tsatsouline
“I love your book relax into stretch I think it's a really important concept this idea that the nervous system and our mental state is preventing inhibiting a good amount of our natural flexibility” — Andrew Huberman 03:14:57Find it on Amazon
Pavel Tsatsouline
“we have the book kettle bell simple and Sinister we which is available on Amazon we have an online course under the same name” — Pavel Tsatsouline 03:34:18Find it on Amazon
Andy Bolton & Pavel Tsatsouline
“Andy and I we co-authored the book The deadlift Dynamite so Andy's got the most beautiful deadlift” — Pavel Tsatsouline 04:06:40Find it on Amazon
Andrew Huberman
“I have a new book coming out it's my very first book it's entitled protocols an operating manual for the human body” — Andrew Huberman 04:12:58Find it on Amazon