Two veteran physicists tell Joe Rogan that catastrophic climate change is a politically and financially driven narrative, not settled science.

Richard Lindzen & William Happer — Richard 'Dick' Lindzen is a retired MIT atmospheric physicist; William Happer is a retired Princeton physicist and former director of energy research under President George H.W. Bush. Both are prominent scientific skeptics of climate-change alarmism.
Lindzen and Happer argue that the dominant 'CO2 control knob' theory of climate is wrong and that the field has been corrupted by money, politics, and enforced consensus. They contend doubling CO2 yields only modest warming, that the Earth's temperature has never been static, that rising CO2 has greened the planet and expanded arable land, and that 'extreme weather' became the new talking point only after temperature scares lost force. They tie the dynamic to funding incentives in academia, captured journals and peer review, and politicians who co-opt science's reputation. The conversation ranges across ice ages, the sun, the Navier-Stokes equation, eugenics as a cautionary precedent, and Happer's Cold War invention of the sodium guide-star laser.