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Joe Rogan · 2024-12-11 · 3h 11m

Joe Rogan Experience #2241 - Rick Strassman

DMT researcher Rick Strassman joins Joe Rogan for a sprawling talk on psychedelics, the Bible in ancient Hebrew, AI, and consciousness.

Joe Rogan Experience #2241 - Rick Strassman
The guest

Rick Strassman — Psychiatrist and clinical researcher who ran the first U.S. government-sanctioned DMT studies; author of DMT: The Spirit Molecule and the new memoir My Altered States.

The gist

Joe Rogan and psychiatrist Rick Strassman range across an enormous set of topics, opening with John Reeves' Alaskan bone 'Boneyard' and Strassman's year as a Fairbanks county psychiatrist. They dig deep into psychedelics, the DMT realm, whether its entities are real or cultural projections, and the dangers of spiritual narcissism in the psychedelic scene. A long middle stretch speculates about AI, neuralink, universal language, telepathy, and a possible post-biological future of humanity. Strassman, who retaught himself Biblical Hebrew over 16 years, discusses reading Genesis as if it were literally real, the Tower of Babel, Lilith, and the Nephilim. The conversation closes on COVID-era media narratives, ivermectin, fluoride, lead, stem-cell medicine, and ancient flood myths.

Big reveals

  • Joe describes John Reeves recovering mammoth and bison bones from the East River that the American Museum of Natural History allegedly dumped there decades ago.
  • Joe and Rick speculate that recording dreams and entire psychedelic states via neural implants could be possible within decades.
  • Strassman recounts dreaming his washing machine broke while traveling, then calling home to learn it actually had broken.
  • Strassman says his clinical depression lifted in roughly 30 seconds while walking back from a work assignment at a Zen monastery.
  • Strassman reveals his near-fatal bout of pneumonia and C. diff in 2014 became the basis for his autobiographical novel Joseph Levy Escapes Death.
  • Joe explains he never got the COVID vaccine because scheduling delays and reports of blood clots and strokes in people he knew made him nervous.
  • They discuss reports of 3-DNA (three-parent) embryos and gene-edited 'super' babies allegedly already happening offshore in China.

Things worth remembering

  • Strassman went skiing on a frozen Fairbanks river at 25 below zero and nearly skied onto a patch of open water in the middle.
  • He says the Northern Lights in Alaska were so quiet you could hear them hiss and crackle.
  • In extreme Alaskan cold, parked car tires flatten on the bottom and feel square until they warm up while driving.
  • The first known mention of Jerusalem appears around 2000 BCE in Egyptian execration texts (curses written on statuettes of bound foreigners).
  • Strassman retaught himself Biblical Hebrew over about 16 years, noting words called 'hapaxes' that appear only once in the whole text.
  • In Olaf Stapledon's First and Last Men, the final human species lives 35,000 years and communicates telepathically worldwide every 20,000 years.
  • Studies link high fluoride levels in water with lower IQ, and childhood lead exposure has reduced average IQ by about 2.6 points per person.
  • Strassman notes psychedelics like psilocybin, ketamine, and DMT promote neurogenesis, and Lion's Mane mushroom can too.
  • Sumerian scholar Zecharia Sitchin claimed the Anunnaki came from a planet on a 3,600-year elliptical orbit and engineered humans from primates.

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