Hacker-turned-inventor Pablos Holman on why hacking everything, sequencing energy first, and funding deep tech beats building more iPhone apps.

Pablos Holman — Hacker, inventor, and deep-tech venture investor; early Blue Origin team member, alum of Nathan Myhrvold's Intellectual Ventures lab, author of 'Deep Future: Creating Technology That Matters.'
Pablos Holman traces his path from reverse-engineering an Apple II alone in 1970s Alaska to becoming a 'hacker magician' who stole passwords and cracked RFID credit cards live on stage. He argues the hacker mindset, asking 'what can I make this do?' rather than 'what does this do?', should be applied beyond computers to humanity's biggest problems. As an investor he now hunts deep-tech breakthroughs that are 10x better than the state of the art, taking technical risk instead of market risk in trillion-dollar industries Silicon Valley ignores. Recurring themes include solving energy (especially fission reactors) first as the lead domino, self-sailing autonomous cargo ships, and the China-versus-US race in building real industries. He also reflects on long time horizons learned from Jeff Bezos, the value of community, and a 20-year obsession with salsa as reverse-engineered physical communication.
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Pablos Holman (inferred)
“So, I'm trying to pull from your book, which I've been devouring. Deep future, creating technology that matters. About threequarters of the way through.” — Tim Ferriss 00:05:44Find it on Amazon
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