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Joe Rogan · 2026-03-18 · 2h 22m

Joe Rogan Experience #2469 - Brigham Buhler

Brigham Buhler tells Joe Rogan how peptides, stem cells, and gene sequencing could rebuild a broken sick-care system into preventative medicine.

Joe Rogan Experience #2469 - Brigham Buhler
The guest

Brigham Buhler — Founder of Ways2Well and a compounding pharmacy serving 90,000+ patients, and a leading advocate lobbying the FDA and state governments to legalize and regulate peptides, stem cells, and cash-pay preventative medicine.

The gist

Joe Rogan and Brigham Buhler discuss the fight to reclassify peptides at the FDA under Secretary Kennedy and the MAHA movement. Buhler argues that the U.S. healthcare system is built to monetize chronic disease rather than prevent it, and that Big Pharma lobbying has unfairly cast peptides, compounded GLP-1s, and stem cells as dangerous. He lays out a vision for an affordable cash-pay 'life raft' alternative built on diagnostics, AI, wearables, and gene sequencing. The conversation goes deep on testosterone myths, the gray/black-market peptide problem, gene editing, and especially MUSE stem cells, a rare regenerative cell type he believes could be a holy grail for healing.

Big reveals

  • Buhler says the Trump administration is actively working to reclassify the 19 peptides banned under Biden, and he's the most optimistic he's ever been.
  • Claims the entire prostate-cancer fear around testosterone traces to a 1930s study with only three patients, one of whom dropped out and one chemically castrated.
  • Alleges Hims deliberately violated the law in a Super Bowl ad as a 'landmine,' then inked a Novo Nordisk deal within two weeks while its stock soared.
  • Says preventative longevity medicine was extremely close to being shut down entirely, and that an FDA for Texas was being considered as a hedge.
  • Reveals four out of five peptides/GLP-1s are filled through gray or black market with no clinician in the chain of custody.
  • Claims there's a gene-editing injection that can make bone mineral density eight times stronger, and that China and Russia are pushing such enhancements.
  • Recounts flying to Japan to 'debunk' MUSE stem cells and instead concluding they could change everything in regenerative medicine.
  • Tells a story of a UAE sheikh's comatose son, declared brain-dead for organ harvest, regaining brain function after IV MUSE cell treatment.

Things worth remembering

  • Buhler claims 60 to 80% of drugs that pass FDA approval later get a major label change or recall.
  • States exercise is six to sevenfold more efficacious than antidepressants, and the serotonin theory of depression was never backed by a single study.
  • Says 1.7 to 1.9 million Americans die of chronic disease every year, more than all U.S. war deaths combined.
  • The average American is on four or more prescription drugs.
  • Eli Lilly is worth around $800 billion, 7x its prior value, off the GLP-1 boom.
  • 71% of young Americans can't qualify for military service.
  • Strongman Brian Shaw's bone mineral density is said to be one in 500 million.
  • MUSE stem cells were discovered by Mari Dezawa in 2010 after she accidentally left them out overnight and they survived.
  • Traditional stem cells have a 3-5% engraftment rate; MUSE cells reach 15-30%.
  • After reducing microplastics, friend Philip's testosterone rose from ~80-90 to 1,200 with no TRT.

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