Joe Rogan Experience #1905 - Derek, More Plates More Dates

Joe Rogan and Derek open on the Liver King scandal, breaking down his videotaped apology admitting he lied about being natural while secretly using Winstrol and growth hormone. They expand into how A-list actors and The Rock achieve impossible physiques for superhero roles and dodge questions about steroids. Derek explains the pharmacology of PEDs, gyno, acne and the lethal extremes of competitive bodybuilding, and details a USADA loophole that lets injured fighters like Conor McGregor leave the testing pool to use drugs. The conversation also covers weight-loss drugs like Wegovy and Ozempic, cold plunge and sauna recovery, David Goggins' brutal discipline and surgeries, social-media mental health, and a long riff on virtual reality, neural links and simulation theory.

• Liver King's filmed apology admits he lied and is on steroids, including Winstrol and high amounts of GH, while claiming he did it for hurting people.
  00:08:23
• Derek argues The Rock's physique at 50 is impossible even on HRT and is clearly drug-built, calling it 'the hyper opposite' of his stated longevity goals.
  00:25:59
• Derek facilitated bulletproof random blood and urine drug testing for 'Matt Does Fitness,' who paid thousands and passed, proving he is genuinely natural.
  00:56:36
• Joe reveals David Goggins records his haters' comments and plays them back to himself as fuel; Goggins had a wedge cut from his shin and a plate he feels every step.
  01:50:36
• Derek explains a USADA loophole letting injured fighters like Conor McGregor exit the testing pool for ~six months to use growth factors and heal.
  01:54:50
• Derek notes Elon Musk publicly credited fasting and Wegovy (semaglutide) for his weight loss, the highest 2.4mg dose.
  02:19:51

• Stage-ready bodybuilders are so dehydrated they are near blacking out, and some die in their late 20s from the drug and bodyweight stress.
  01:06:28
• A sensory-deprivation float tank contains roughly a thousand pounds of Epsom salt (magnesium) dissolved in the water.
  01:15:47
• Cold plunging immediately after lifting blunts hypertrophy because the cold's anti-inflammatory effect interferes with muscle-building.
  01:18:57
• Joe does a three-minute cold plunge at around 34-40 degrees first thing every morning as a discipline and stress-management practice.
  01:20:31
• David Goggins fights wildfires as a smoke jumper, parachuting into remote Northern Canada areas, sometimes near polar and grizzly bears.
  01:53:44
• USADA testing is wildly uneven: fighters like Rose Namajunas and Neil Magny were tested far more than Paulo Costa, and T.J. Dillashaw only single digits.
  02:05:40
• DNP (dinitrophenol) was a World War One explosive ingredient later sold as a fat-loss drug; its lethal dose sits dangerously close to the effective dose.
  02:14:37
• GLP-1 agonists like semaglutide are not prohibited by USADA in or out of competition because they treat type 2 diabetes and obesity.
  02:16:12
• Joe and Derek debate whether magnesium absorbs transdermally through Epsom salt baths, citing the ~500 Dalton molecular-mass skin-absorption threshold.
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