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Tim Ferriss · 2023-03-05 · 2h 03m

Michael Mauboussin — How Great Investors Make Decisions | The Tim Ferriss Podcast

Michael Mauboussin breaks down how great investors decide: base rates, wisdom of crowds, decision biases, and complex adaptive systems.

Michael Mauboussin — How Great Investors Make Decisions | The Tim Ferriss Podcast
The guest

Michael Mauboussin — Head of Consilient Research on Counterpoint Global at Morgan Stanley Investment Management, longtime Columbia Business School adjunct finance professor, and author of investing classics including Think Twice, The Success Equation, More Than You Know, and Expectations Investing.

The gist

Tim Ferriss interviews Michael Mauboussin on what separates good investors from great ones, arguing it comes down far more to decision-making quality than analytical tools. They explore the wisdom of crowds and the three conditions (diversity, aggregation, incentives) that make crowds smart or send them haywire, with diversity being the most fragile. Mauboussin makes a strong case for base rates (the 'outside view') over the natural 'inside view,' illustrated through the Big Brown Triple Crown betting story. The conversation covers decision biases like overconfidence and confirmation bias, tools to widen alternatives (premortems, red teaming, counterfactuals), the limits of intuition and expertise, and how viewing markets as complex adaptive systems reshapes one's worldview. It closes with personal habits, parenting reflections, and book recommendations.

Big reveals

  • Mauboussin frames markets as complex adaptive systems and ties wisdom of crowds to three conditions—diversity (heterogeneity), an aggregation mechanism, and incentives—with diversity being by far the most likely condition to break down.
  • He distinguishes three types of diversity: social-category, cognitive, and values diversity, arguing cognitive diversity (perspectives, mental models, training) is what actually solves problems, while values diversity should stay uniform.
  • He argues private equity buyouts (financial leverage) and venture capital (young, riskier companies) emerged largely because four decades of declining interest rates pushed investors out on the risk spectrum to meet rising liabilities.
  • Base rates ('the outside view') is the single idea Mauboussin would give his 18-year-old self—treating your problem as an instance of a larger reference class rather than relying on the natural 'inside view.'
  • What separates good from great investors has little to do with analytical tools and everything to do with decision-making, especially circumventing overconfidence and confirmation bias and tolerating the antisocial nature of contrarian bets.
  • Drawing on Robert Sapolsky's stress research, he explains that psychological stress shortens an investor's time horizon—exactly when falling markets are making the opportunity set more attractive.
  • To consider more alternatives, he prescribes three techniques: base rates, premortems (imagining the decision failed and writing down why), and red teaming.
  • Intuition only works reliably in 'linear and stable' domains where cause-and-effect is clear and rules don't change—chess works, but most investing and open systems do not.

Things worth remembering

  • Francis Galton found that the average of ~787 fairgoers' guesses for an ox's weight came within 1% of the true weight, a foundational wisdom-of-crowds example.
  • Mauboussin runs a jelly-bean (actually bean) guessing exercise in class every January; the group estimate lands within 2-10%, while a random individual is typically off by ~50%.
  • In the 'two-thirds game' (guess closest to 2/3 of the group average), the equilibrium answer is zero, but a roomful of retired world leaders at a Credit Suisse retreat performed embarrassingly badly at it.
  • Triple Crown contender Big Brown went off at odds implying a 77% chance of winning the Belmont, but base rates showed only a 15% success rate since 1950, and he was the slowest of the last seven contenders by Beyer speed figures—he came in last.
  • Thoroughbred racehorses run essentially the same speeds as in the 1950s because they descend from an extremely narrow genetic stock; Secretariat was a genetic 'freak' with an abnormally large heart.
  • There are roughly 3,500 U.S. public companies today—about half as many as in the mid-1990s and fewer than in the 1970s—due to many M&A deals and few IPOs.
  • Tetlock's 'Expert Political Judgment' tracked ~400 master's/PhD-level experts whose specific predictions were barely better than chance.
  • 'Beliefs are hypotheses to be tested, not treasures to be protected'—a Tetlock/Gardner Superforecasting quote Mauboussin would put on a billboard.
  • Mauboussin paraphrases Richards Heuer: 'Analysts who know the most about a situation have the most to unlearn when the world changes.'
  • Expectations Investing came out September 10, 2001—the day before 9/11 and in the middle of a three-year bear market.

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