Thriller author Jack Carr joins Joe Rogan to talk his Vietnam novel Cry Havoc, the SEAL teams, AI's threat to art, watches, trucks, and a paranoid post-Charlie-Kirk world.

Jack Carr — Former Navy SEAL turned bestselling thriller novelist behind the James Reece series (The Terminal List), which Amazon adapted into TV shows starring Chris Pratt. His latest novel, Cry Havoc, is an espionage thriller set in 1968 Vietnam.
Jack Carr explains the obsessive research behind Cry Havoc, his 1968 Vietnam espionage thriller, going so far as to buy a period dictionary, vintage watches, and 1960s magazines to write without the benefit of hindsight. He and Rogan range across the decline of reading and AI's encroachment on music and books, the making of the Amazon adaptations Terminal List, Dark Wolf, and True Believer, and a shared obsession with vintage Land Cruisers and tool watches. The conversation turns darker on the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the eerie public celebration of it, and Carr's instinct for sensing 'evil.' They close on immigration, media failure, the cultural power of Rogan's podcast, hunting and conservation, and the unsettling experience of being a remote, security-conscious public figure.
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Jack Carr
“I've been really looking forward to talking to you about this book cuz I know that you've been obsessed. You've been obsessed by this era” — Jack Carr 00:00:01Find it on Amazon
Jack Carr
“But since we had a success with The Terminal List, now they're taking this risk with us. Just like my publisher did” — Jack Carr 00:24:21Find it on Amazon
Jack Carr
“So I was in Morocco filming True Believer just a couple weeks ago. So we finished up filming out there with Pratt and everybody” — Jack Carr 00:12:00Find it on Amazon
Jack Carr
“So I told Tom that probably if we do Savage Son as a as a movie, he's probably not going to have his shirt on much” — Jack Carr 02:09:34Find it on Amazon
Jack Carr
“that's people's favorite I think of the books. That and Red Sky Morning the last one and and mine is this one” — Jack Carr 01:03:29Find it on Amazon
David Morrell
“wrote a series of books in the '80s, Brotherhood of the Rose, Fraternity of the Stone, League of Night and Fog, which were just incredible” — Jack Carr 00:00:33Find it on Amazon
David Morrell
“wrote a series of books in the '80s, Brotherhood of the Rose, Fraternity of the Stone, League of Night and Fog, which were just incredible” — Jack Carr 00:00:33Find it on Amazon
David Morrell
“Brotherhood of the Rose, Fraternity of the Stone, League of Night and Fog, which were just incredible. And I got to kick off the book tour with him” — Jack Carr 00:00:33Find it on Amazon
Onnit
“Alpha Brain's great. There's a Alpha Brain black label that's a new one that's a stronger version of Alpha Brain” — Joe Rogan 00:38:11Find it on Amazon
Onnit
“There's a Alpha Brain black label that's a new one that's a stronger version of Alpha Brain. I think we have some” — Joe Rogan 00:38:11Find it on Amazon
Neuro
“Another one is Neuro Gum. We have some of that stuff. I like that cuz it's just it tastes good. It's gum and it gives you a little nootropic boost” — Joe Rogan 00:38:11Find it on Amazon
Ineos
“If you're looking for an off-road vehicle that's like fully outfitted from the factory, you could do no better. It was awesome” — Jack Carr 00:41:16Find it on Amazon
Toyota
“It's awesome four-wheel drive. They're great in snow and anything else. And they always work. Toyota is so good. They're so reliable” — Jack Carr 00:49:29Find it on Amazon
Garmin
“I have a Garmin. And it's a digital watch. It's got maps on it and stuff like that. But I use it when I go hunting” — Joe Rogan 02:07:31Find it on Amazon
Amazon / Jack Carr
“you already have the Terminal List and the Dark Wolf on TV. Yeah, you're way better off” — Jack Carr 00:10:59Find it on Amazon
Amazon / Jack Carr
“we have 7 hours for Dark Wolf, 8 hours for for The Terminal List, we'll have 8 hours for True Believer” — Jack Carr 00:23:50Find it on Amazon
Apple TV+ (inferred)
“Did you see a Bad Monkey with uh with Vince Vaughn? No. good. It's on Apple” — Joe Rogan 00:22:48Find it on Amazon
BBC (inferred)
“Did you watch Peaky Blinders? No, I need to watch it. It's really awesome” — Joe Rogan 01:37:58Find it on Amazon
Werner Herzog
“It's a fun documentary. It's Werner Herzog. He's brilliant and he he turns it into a comedy” — Joe Rogan 02:21:23Find it on Amazon