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Lex Fridman · 2021-12-03 · 2h 15m

Peter Woit: Theories of Everything & Why String Theory is Not Even Wrong | Lex Fridman Podcast #246

Columbia physicist-mathematician Peter Woit explains why string theory is 'not even wrong' and where the real beauty in math and physics lives.

Peter Woit: Theories of Everything & Why String Theory is Not Even Wrong | Lex Fridman Podcast #246
The guest

Peter Woit — Theoretical physicist and mathematician at Columbia University, author of the book and influential blog 'Not Even Wrong', best known as a leading critic of string theory.

The gist

Peter Woit argues that the deepest ideas in fundamental physics and modern mathematics (the Langlands program, group theory, representations) are converging on the same structures, and that beauty in science means compressing huge power into something simple. He makes the case that string theory failed: starting from 10 dimensions and trying to compactify six of them yields an essentially infinite landscape of possibilities, making it unfalsifiable and 'not even wrong.' He critiques other theories of everything (Wolfram's cellular automata, Eric Weinstein's and Garrett Lisi's geometric proposals) for the same flaw of being unable to recover the standard model. He shares fresh excitement about Penrose's twistor theory and a four-dimensional, imaginary-time approach he believes may bear fruit. The conversation closes on science communication ethics, humility, aliens, and the meaning of life.

Big reveals

  • Woit argues higher dimensions are a decades-long mistake; everything we know is really about four dimensions.
  • He declares string theory's original compactification program a failure that became 'not even wrong' because it can never produce a falsifiable prediction.
  • Concedes the strongest pro-string-theory argument: it was an enormously fruitful source of new mathematics and physics ideas.
  • Has 'pretty much zero sympathy' for Stephen Wolfram's cellular-automata theory of everything.
  • Says Eric Weinstein's and Garrett Lisi's theories founder on the same problem string theory does: recovering the standard model.
  • Reveals genuine recent excitement about Penrose's twistor theory and his own four-dimensional imaginary-time idea.
  • States flatly there will definitely NOT be a Nobel Prize for string theory.
  • Warns that promoting failed ideas as successes on podcasts threatens the public's trust in science itself.

Things worth remembering

  • An idea is beautiful when it packages a huge amount of power and information into something very simple.
  • The integers can be viewed geometrically as functions on the space of prime numbers, linking algebra and geometry.
  • Ed Witten won a Fields Medal as a physicist, almost unheard of, yet has no Nobel Prize.
  • Since the standard model came together in 1973, the theory has been too good for anyone to beat it and win a Nobel.
  • Strip out the Higgs field and the standard model is tightly constrained; the Higgs forces in 20-30 free parameters.
  • Rotating a spinor 360 degrees flips its sign instead of returning it to its original state.
  • In twistor theory a point in spacetime is literally a two-complex-dimensional plane inside four-dimensional twistor space.
  • Woit predicts the next 20 years will bring more LHC data but no higher-energy collider operating successfully.
  • Nobody ever asks mathematicians the meaning of life, though they may be best equipped to discuss beauty.

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