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Joe Rogan Experience #1933 - Jordan Peterson

Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan on his Ontario license battle, climate ideology, the trans epidemic, and a new global pro-human vision.

Joe Rogan Experience #1933 - Jordan Peterson
The guest

Jordan Peterson — Clinical psychologist, professor, and bestselling author known for 12 Rules for Life and his lectures on psychology, religion, and culture.

The gist

Peterson opens by detailing the roughly 13 complaints the Ontario College of Psychologists has levied against him over his political tweets, which he frames as a threat to his license and to free speech generally. The conversation ranges across the Marxist 'everything is power' narrative, the religious structure of climate ideology, and how he believes globalist utopians are willing to sacrifice the poor through expensive energy. A long section dissects the gender-transition epidemic, citing clinical research from Ken Zucker and the closure of the UK's Tavistock clinic. Peterson then announces a new London-based international Consortium meant to offer an alternative vision to the WEF, and reveals personal projects including his Essay writing app and Peterson Academy. They close on storytelling, the Exodus narrative, psychedelics, and the value of meaningful conversation.

Big reveals

  • Peterson says the Ontario College of Psychologists has levied the equivalent of about 13 lawsuits against him, mostly over political tweets, with none from actual clients.
  • He reveals he has already been 'sentenced' to an indefinite period of social-media retraining at his own expense, the second-most-serious punishment short of losing his license.
  • He announces a new London-based international Consortium to put forward an alternative, pro-human vision to the WEF's apocalyptic narrative, with a conference set for October 31 to November 2.
  • He argues globalist utopians are sacrificing the poor by cranking up energy prices, citing Lomborg's estimate that a cold European winter could kill 135,000 people.
  • He reveals his writing app 'Essay,' launched in November, with about 8,000 subscribers and 80,000 users.
  • He reveals Peterson Academy, started with daughter Michaela, aiming to cut the cost of a bachelor's degree to $4,000.
  • Peterson says this is the healthiest he has ever felt, around 80 percent, and that he never did an interview with Rogan while healthy before.

Things worth remembering

  • Frans de Waal found the stable alpha in a chimp troop can be the smallest male, ruling through alliances and authority rather than brute power.
  • Peterson says about 4 percent of people worldwide are close to clinically diagnosable psychopaths.
  • A Google analysis of billions of searches found men go for visual imagery and women go for story, with five male fantasy archetypes: vampire, werewolf, pirate, surgeon, billionaire.
  • Women have three to five times the rates of anxiety and depression worldwide, tied to higher baseline negative emotion that rises at puberty.
  • Psychological epidemics have been tracked for 300 years, including multiple personality disorder, cutting, bulimia, anorexia, and the 1980s satanic daycare ritual abuse panic.
  • Peterson cites Ken Zucker that if left alone, about 90 percent of gender-non-conforming kids accept their sex by 18-19 and roughly 80 percent turn out gay.
  • He cites Lomborg that once people rise above about $5,000 a year in GDP they start taking a long-term, environmentally conscious view.
  • Robin Carhart-Harris told Peterson psychedelics produce a hyper-stress state akin to radical learning, removing memory's inhibiting effect on perception.

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“we have this app called essay which we launched back in November that teaches people how to write while they use it” — Jordan Peterson 02:13:24
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