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Tim Ferriss · 2023-02-08 · 2h 29m

All Things Sleep Continued — Melatonin, Insomnia, Sleep & Sex, Lucid Dreaming, & More | Matt Walker

Sleep scientist Matthew Walker on sex and sleep, why melatonin disappoints, sleep restriction therapy, lucid dreaming, and how sleep cements memory.

All Things Sleep Continued — Melatonin, Insomnia, Sleep & Sex, Lucid Dreaming, & More | Matt Walker
The guest

Dr. Matthew Walker — Neuroscientist, professor at UC Berkeley, sleep researcher, author of 'Why We Sleep,' and host of The Matt Walker Podcast

The gist

In this second conversation with Tim Ferriss, Dr. Matthew Walker digs into the bidirectional relationship between sleep and sex, including the case for a 'sleep divorce' and how orgasm improves subsequent sleep quality via oxytocin and vasopressin. He then dismantles common assumptions about melatonin, explaining it regulates sleep timing rather than generating sleep, and warns about supraphysiological dosing risks. The discussion moves through cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia (CBTI) and sleep restriction therapy, the neuroscience and induction methods of lucid dreaming, and how different stages of sleep consolidate memory. Walker closes on memory replay experiments, time dilation in dreams, exercise's effect on deep sleep, and practical tips for nighttime urination.

Big reveals

  • A lack of sleep (four to five hours) drops a man's testosterone by the equivalent of about 10 years of aging, reducing virility, and the same sleep loss reduces estrogen in women.
  • When a woman gets an extra hour of sleep there is a 14 percent increase in her desire for intimacy, which Walker notes is more than 50 percent of the benefit of FDA-approved libido drugs like Vyleesi (about 24 percent), achieved drug free.
  • Melatonin only increases sleep onset speed by 3.9 minutes and sleep efficiency by 2.2 percent because it regulates the timing of sleep, not the generation of sleep itself; Walker compares it to the starting official at a 100-meter race who never runs.
  • Sleep restriction therapy (better called bedtime restriction therapy) treats insomnia by compressing time in bed to build adenosine sleep pressure, raising sleep efficiency toward 85 percent and restoring the patient's confidence and control over sleep.
  • Lucid dreaming was once dismissed as charlatan science but is now scientifically proven; early experiments used predefined eye movements as an 'ocular Morse code' (eyes escape REM paralysis) to communicate from inside the dream.
  • Sleep for memory is an all-or-nothing phenomenon: if you do not sleep within the first 24 hours after learning, no amount of recovery sleep on later nights salvages the consolidation; the memory is lost.
  • Alcohol on the first night after learning caused a greater than 50 percent loss of memory, and even alcohol on the third night caused about a 40 percent deficit, proving the brain is still consolidating memories three days after learning.
  • Walker's currently unsupported theory: dreams may be available but not accessible in memory, meaning our dreaming lives could be non-consciously influencing our waking choices far more than science assumes.

Things worth remembering

  • Survey data shows about one in four couples have a 'sleep divorce' (sleeping in separate beds), and anonymous surveys push that toward nearly one in three.
  • Sex resulting in orgasm is associated with about a 70 percent increase in reported sleep quality the following night; masturbation with orgasm produces about a 47 percent increase and cuts sleep onset time roughly in half.
  • One study of 30 melatonin brands found actual content ranged from about 83 percent less to 478 percent more than stated on the bottle, and reported melatonin overdoses to US Poison Control rose 530 percent over 10 years, concentrated in children.
  • In juvenile male rats, high doses of melatonin cause testicular atrophy, and high doses also block the hippocampus from forming new synapses, impairing learning.
  • The optimal melatonin dose for a sleep benefit is roughly 0.3 to 0.5 milligrams, yet most products sold are 5 or 10 milligrams.
  • When dreaming we are effectively psychotic: hallucinating, delusional, disoriented, emotionally labile, and amnesic; during REM the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex goes offline while parts of the brain run up to 30 percent more active than when awake.
  • Only about 10 to 20 percent of the population are natural lucid dreamers, and the two best-validated induction methods are MILD (Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dreaming) and reality testing.
  • Naps for memory restoration in the study were 90 minutes, but Walker recommends 15 to 20 minute naps for most people to gain cognitive benefit while avoiding sleep inertia.
  • In the 1990s, recordings of rat hippocampus showed memories are replayed during deep non-REM sleep at roughly 10 times waking speed; in REM sleep, the same memories replay at about 0.5 times speed.
  • Intense exercise reliably increases deep non-REM sleep and slow brainwaves but comes at the cost of reduced REM sleep, with aerobic/cardio appearing to outperform resistance training for deep-sleep benefit.

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