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Joe Rogan · 2026-02-13 · 2h 33m

Joe Rogan Experience #2454 - Robert Malone, MD

mRNA pioneer Robert Malone returns to JRE to relitigate COVID, censorship, and the coming risks of biotech and AI.

Joe Rogan Experience #2454 - Robert Malone, MD
The guest

Robert Malone, MD — Vaccinologist and early mRNA-vaccine technology researcher (holds patents on mRNA delivery) who became a prominent critic of COVID vaccine policy. Now vice chair of the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) and writes a widely-read Substack.

The gist

Malone reflects on the fallout from his first JRE appearance and how his warnings about COVID-era policy, censorship, and vaccine harms have since been borne out. He details the suppression of repurposed drugs like Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, the financial incentives behind vaccine mandates, and the machinery of 'nudge' and psychological-warfare propaganda used on citizens. The conversation moves into his current government roles at HHS/ACIP and the State Department, including bird-flu culling policy and bioweapons monitoring. It closes on the accelerating, largely unregulated risks of biotechnology, gene drives, artificial wombs, CRISPR, and a possible new physics behind UAP phenomena.

Big reveals

  • Malone says Rogan publicly vindicated him: 'all your warnings ... turned out to be true.'
  • Claims Peter Cullis of UBC, not the Nobel laureates, deserved credit for the lipid-nanoparticle tech behind the COVID vaccines.
  • Lays out a chain where Coca-Cola complained to GARM, pressuring Spotify to censor Rogan after the Malone episode.
  • Reveals a congressional report showed he had a government 'Jira ticket' labeling him an anti-vaxxer and a conservative.
  • Says a fraudulent Lancet paper with fabricated data crushed hydroxychloroquine before trials could proceed.
  • State Department wanted him in Geneva to keynote on AI for bioweapons monitoring, but told him the Rogan taping was more important.
  • Describes a Spanish lab leak of African swine fever as 'Wuhan 2.0,' tied to gain-of-function work with the USDA.
  • Claims a colleague's new book documents on-demand organ harvesting from live prisoners in China.

Things worth remembering

  • Malone says he dropped 40-50 lbs since his last appearance and was obese and high-risk during his own COVID infection.
  • He self-experimented while sick, getting an 'immediate response' from high-dose famotidine (a stomach-acid drug).
  • Ivermectin won a Nobel Prize and is off-patent, which Malone argues is why it was attacked as a threat to vaccine business interests.
  • Calls COVID 'the greatest upward transfer of wealth in modern history.'
  • Migratory waterfowl are a permanent natural reservoir for avian flu, so mass culling can never eradicate it.
  • The Amish use hypochlorous acid (HOCL) in water to control pathogens in poultry operations.
  • The title 'Gattaca' is built from the DNA bases G, A, T, C.
  • Bulk whole-genome sequencing now costs about $300, the gateway to CRISPR-based selective engineering.
  • Malone states 95-99% of polio infections are asymptomatic, and DDT spraying produced paralytic-polio-like symptoms.
  • The viral 'artificial womb factory' video was revealed to be a fake 2022 Berlin filmmaker project, not a real company.