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Joe Rogan Experience #2195 - Andrew Huberman

Andrew Huberman and Joe Rogan riff on olfaction, doing hard things, elite athletes' nervous systems, media distortion, and authenticity.

Joe Rogan Experience #2195 - Andrew Huberman
The guest

Andrew Huberman — Stanford neuroscientist, professor of neurobiology, and host of the Huberman Lab podcast

The gist

Joe Rogan and neuroscientist Andrew Huberman cover a sweeping range of topics, opening with dog breeding genetics and the surprising science of human olfaction, including live experiments with smelling salts. They dig into the neuroscience of doing hard things, centered on the anterior mid-cingulate cortex and how voluntary adversity builds resilience and slows cognitive decline. Much of the conversation analyzes elite performance in fighting, running, and skateboarding, arguing that nervous systems shaped young produce unbeatable athletes. They also discuss media deception, deceptive editing, out-of-context clips, and the value of long-form honest conversation. The episode closes on creativity, fame, Rick Rubin's philosophy of authenticity, peptides like BPC-157, and self-care over pharmaceuticals.

Big reveals

  • A neurosurgery chair told Rick Rubin that roughly 50% of what is in medical textbooks is false, with incalculable impact on patient treatment.
  • Huberman recounts that the dominant breathing nostril switches about every two hours, reflecting shifts between parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous-system dominance.
  • Huberman explains the anterior mid-cingulate cortex grows when you do hard things you don't want to do and is larger in 'superagers' who resist cognitive decline.
  • Rogan describes MSNBC deceptively editing his Tulsi Gabbard comments to make it appear he was praising Kamala Harris.
  • Huberman discusses the FDA declining to approve MDMA for PTSD despite over 60% success rates, citing control-group and practitioner-patient safety concerns.
  • Huberman links a meditation practice of stillness with an active mind to REM sleep, suggesting it mimics the brain state that generates creative ideas.
  • Huberman argues many regenerative therapies like BPC-157 face resistance because they would reduce surgeries and drug sales that the healthcare business relies on.

Things worth remembering

  • Researcher Noam Sobel's lab showed blindfolded humans with covered hands can track a chocolate scent trail buried below ground like a tracking dog.
  • Studies suggest people unconsciously wipe the scent of another person on their own face within about a minute of shaking hands.
  • Olfactory neurons are among the very few central-nervous-system neurons that regenerate throughout the human lifespan.
  • Smelling something aversive triggers a parallel adrenaline release from the adrenals and the brain's locus coeruleus within a couple hundred milliseconds.
  • Joe describes Glaube Feitosa's question-mark kick, whose hip flexibility let him arc kicks over the guard and down onto opponents' heads.
  • Robert Sapolsky's view that dopamine is not about pleasure but the pleasure of pursuit.
  • An expert told Huberman that high-potency cannabis edibles cause psychotic episodes partly via the 11-hydroxy metabolite, which is about five times more psychoactive than THC.
  • Neuroscientist Oliver Sacks held a state powerlifting record with a roughly 600-pound squat.
  • David Anderson's Caltech lab found stimulating specific ventromedial hypothalamus neurons makes animals either mate or attack.
  • Huberman cites Stuart McGill's 'big three' back exercises as widely reported to stabilize and strengthen the spine and relieve back pain.

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