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Tim Ferriss · 2023-10-09 · 58m

The Power Broker and Superstar Agent Behind LeBron James, Draymond Green, and Others | Rich Paul

Sports super-agent Rich Paul on negotiating, building athlete infrastructure, his Cleveland roots, and his memoir Lucky Me.

The Power Broker and Superstar Agent Behind LeBron James, Draymond Green, and Others | Rich Paul
The guest

Rich Paul — Founder of Klutch Sports Group and one of the NBA's most powerful agents; LeBron James's longtime agent and author of the memoir Lucky Me: A Memoir of Changing the Odds.

The gist

Tim Ferriss interviews sports agent Rich Paul about how he rose from his father's Cleveland corner store, R&J Confectionery, to negotiating billions in NBA contracts without a college degree. Paul breaks down his negotiating philosophy, including how he prepares for free agency long before it opens and how he refused to compete on cutting fees. He explains his concept of athlete 'infrastructure,' player empowerment, and the importance of saving and diversifying given how short and front-loaded athletic earnings are. He also discusses meeting LeBron James in an airport, the influences that shaped his confidence, James Baldwin, and why he wrote his memoir as an honest, non-puff-piece example for kids who see themselves in his story.

Big reveals

  • This past July's free agency, Paul negotiated close to $900 million worth of contracts, and free agency preparation actually starts before the season, not on July 1.
  • On negotiating: Jerami Grant's deal (five years, $160 million) was done before Draymond Green's (four years, $100 million); Draymond's value isn't shown in stats, so analytics don't matter, and he ultimately stayed with the Warriors despite a sign-and-trade being lined up.
  • His top advice to anyone stepping into his role: watch out for 'friendly fire' (sharing too much information that backfires), prepare, be patient, never panic, and never take it personal.
  • He met LeBron James at Akron County Airport; LeBron noticed his Warren Moon Oilers jersey, and what truly bonded them was their similar family backgrounds and moms.
  • The NCAA passed a rule requiring agents to have a college degree to represent college athletes, which LeBron dubbed 'the Rich Paul rule' on Twitter; Paul says it was meant to discourage the next person like him.
  • He never played the 'money game' of cutting fees that big agencies use by rolling sports into 25 verticals; he won clients with genuineness and by leading with education rather than a sales pitch.
  • The average person earns their money between ages 45 and 65, but the average athlete earns theirs between 19 and 25, maybe to 30, making early financial discipline critical.
  • Player empowerment is really player 'choice' through education, not players writing their own checks or picking teams; he cites LeBron and KD playing for several teams versus Reggie Miller, Dirk, and Kobe staying with one.

Things worth remembering

  • Paul's father owned R&J Confectionery, a community store at 125th and Edmonton in the Glenville area of Cleveland, which Paul calls his 'Harvard, Stanford, Penn.'
  • Paul grew up gambling on everything; his dad taught him to shoot dice and play cards, and he called himself 'the Steph Curry of dice shooting.'
  • He perfected one-handed jump shooting from the top of the key, like in White Men Can't Jump, to handicap his own bets at the park.
  • Paul keeps a portrait of writer James Baldwin on his wall, in a room of inspiration that includes entertainers, activists, and figures from John Singleton and Hughes brothers films.
  • Growing up with few options, Paul says entrepreneurial spirit could only be expressed through hustles, from selling jerseys to selling drugs, with no examples of corporate career paths.
  • His sister taught him to iron jeans; he perfected lining up the creases and built a small business charging to iron clothes, including silk, wool, and linen.
  • Behind Paul during the interview is an Ernie Barnes painting called 'The Runway'; Barnes is famous for Marvin Gaye's album cover and 'The Sugar Shack' from Good Times, with Eddie Murphy owning the original.
  • Paul compares betting comebacks to the Cavs' 3-1 series comeback, recalling turning his last dollar into $200 at age 11.
  • Paul says he deliberately did not want his book to be a 'puff piece' about money and accomplishments; that could be a second book, but the first had to show who he is at his core.
  • Writing the memoir was therapeutic for Paul, who says today people want to be agents and 'be a better version' of him.

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Lucky Me: A Memoir of Changing the Odds

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