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Joe Rogan · 2024-06-27 · 2h 23m

Joe Rogan Experience #1971 - Howie Mandel

Howie Mandel and Joe Rogan riff on comedy's Austin shift, his OCD and depression, AI as a coming 'digital God,' and UFO sightings.

Joe Rogan Experience #1971 - Howie Mandel
The guest

Howie Mandel — Comedian, actor (Dr. Fiscus on St. Elsewhere) and TV host (Deal or No Deal, America's Got Talent) who speaks candidly about living with OCD, anxiety and depression.

The gist

Joe Rogan and Howie Mandel open by tracing comedy's history from the Comedy Store under Mitzi Shore to the Austin scene Rogan built at the Comedy Mothership. Howie recounts how his entire stand-up act began as genuine onstage panic and a rubber glove pulled over his head, and he opens up at length about his OCD, depression and how conversation and constant work keep him on a 'ledge.' A long middle stretch becomes a freewheeling debate about artificial intelligence, with Rogan laying out a theory that AI could become a 'digital God' that erodes civilization, while Howie argues for embracing and licensing it. They close on UFOs, including Howie's own sighting near Toronto, flat-earth believers, media propaganda, and the threat of AI deepfakes and voice-cloning scams.

Big reveals

  • Howie's stand-up act was born from real panic and embarrassment; he pulled a rubber glove over his head out of OCD-driven habit and the crowd roared.
  • Howie wasn't diagnosed with his mental-health issues until his 40s, and says everything he was once expelled or punished for is what he now gets paid for.
  • Howie says at any given moment he is 'not that far' from a Howard Hughes-style breakdown and uses conversation as the cable holding him on the ledge.
  • Howie reveals he licensed his AI likeness to a Korean company, which upset his wife.
  • Rogan plays Elon Musk recounting that Larry Page called him a 'speciesist' for prioritizing humanity over AI super-intelligence.
  • Howie describes personally seeing a UFO, a roughly half-mile-wide line of lights that shot into the sky, with his wife near Toronto in his 20s.
  • Howie says models his son knows have been deepfaked into porn and that AI scammers ran fake commercials using his podcast with no real recourse.

Things worth remembering

  • Joe's Comedy Mothership is housed in the former Ritz Theater (1927), once a punk-rock club that hosted Butthole Surfers and the Misfits.
  • Howie's career took off via HBO's 6th Annual Young Comedians Special alongside Jerry Seinfeld, Richard Lewis and Harry Anderson.
  • Howie played Dr. Fiscus for six years on St. Elsewhere, the show that launched Denzel Washington, Mark Harmon and others.
  • A 60 Minutes piece on AI 'emergent properties' showed a Google program teaching itself Bengali after minimal prompting in a language it wasn't trained on.
  • Rogan cites Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers on how the Beatles' grueling Hamburg hours made them great.
  • Seymour Hersh's substack claimed the US blew up the Nord Stream pipeline, with the New York Times suggesting maybe the public shouldn't know who did it.
  • They reference the Sinclair montage of local-news anchors reading an identical script warning about 'fake news.'
  • Joe recounts the Betty and Barney Hill case, one of the first UFO-abduction stories, surfaced via hypnotic regression.
  • Rogan says he asked ChatGPT who makes his podcast and it invented three fake producers before correcting itself.

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