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Tim Ferriss · 2021-05-13 · 1h 45m

Sebastian Junger — Seeking Freedom and Reordering Your Place in the World | The Tim Ferriss Show

Sebastian Junger on surviving a near-fatal aneurysm, fatherhood, warriorhood, and how people throughout history fight to stay free.

Sebastian Junger — Seeking Freedom and Reordering Your Place in the World | The Tim Ferriss Show
The guest

Sebastian Junger — New York Times best-selling author of The Perfect Storm, War, Tribe, and Freedom, and co-director of the Oscar-nominated documentary Restrepo. A longtime war reporter and former war zone journalist, he is a Peabody and National Magazine Award winner based in New York City and Cape Cod.

The gist

Junger opens by recounting a near-death experience in 2020 when an undiagnosed aneurysm in his pancreatic artery ruptured at his Cape Cod home, costing him 90% of his blood and reordering how he sees mortality and each present moment. He discusses how fatherhood and aging have transformed his relationship to risk, the warrior's role, and what he learned from boxing and the accordion. The conversation then explores his book Freedom, structured around three ways the weak resist the powerful (run, fight, think) and interwoven with his 400-mile 'Last Patrol' walk along railroad lines after the death of his friend Tim Hetherington. Junger examines human violence and compassion, dehumanization, the etymology of freedom, the Gini coefficient, and the obligations citizens owe society. He closes with parenting advice for Tim Ferriss, who is considering having children.

Big reveals

  • Junger reveals that while writing Freedom he suffered a ruptured aneurysm in his pancreatic artery at home, caused by a congenital ligament defect pressing on his celiac artery, and lost 90% of his blood before reaching the hospital.
  • As an atheist, Junger says that while being pulled into a dark pit as he was dying, his dead father appeared and began comforting and consoling him.
  • He describes the aftermath as an existential blessing: realizing you can be annihilated at any moment made each present moment feel precious, putting him in a state of 'Zen grace.'
  • Junger reframes his survival as the race he'd been training for his whole life, saying the doctor told him that if he hadn't been in incredible shape from boxing and athletics, he would have died.
  • On Plenty Coups (Crow chief), Junger explains the warrior's ultimate job is to protect the community, and that in a new historical moment that meant NOT fighting but learning to read and farm to preserve the people.
  • Junger reveals his collaborator Tim Hetherington was killed in Misrata, Libya on April 20, 2011; had Junger gone on the assignment as planned, he likely would have been killed alongside him.
  • He explains freedom is etymologically rooted in the Middle/Old German 'vridom,' related to 'beloved' — freedom was originally owed only to people you loved, while everyone else was eligible for enslavement.
  • Junger says he had never given blood in his life despite surviving on 10 units from 10 donors, and announces on the show that he is going to start donating blood.

Things worth remembering

  • Junger's best mile time was about 4 minutes 12 seconds and his marathon time was roughly 2 hours 21 minutes.
  • He started boxing around age 51, calling it without exception the hardest thing he's ever done, and also took up the accordion, which took years to coordinate the two hands.
  • Junger practices co-sleeping and has never owned a stroller, arguing that separating parent from child created a billion-dollar industry of cribs, playpens, monitors, and strollers.
  • The Pueblo agricultural tribes were quickly defeated by the Spanish, while the highly mobile Apache and Navajo remained free for another 300-plus years until the late 1880s.
  • In UFC/MMA data, larger fighters paired against smaller ones win only about 50% of the time, showing size is not a predictor of individual combat outcomes among humans.
  • During the 1912 Lawrence, Massachusetts mill strikes, one in five infants died before age two among worker populations, and strikers put women on the front lines because police wouldn't beat them.
  • On the Pennsylvania frontier, men were required to carry a rifle, a tomahawk, and a scalping knife at all times or risk being ostracized by the community.
  • About 5,000 years ago the Yamnaya invaders from the Russian steppe used horse-drawn chariots to wipe out nearly the entire male genetic line of Neolithic Iberia.
  • Gini coefficients: feudal medieval Europe was about 0.7, the Roman Empire 0.42, and most hunter-gatherer societies around 0.25 (closer to full equality).
  • On the Last Patrol the group once walked 40 miles in 40 hours and was shot at by someone in Pennsylvania.

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